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Last post 12-16-2006, 10:33 AM by Tracy Frost. 64 replies.
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  •  10-31-2006, 9:36 AM 639 in reply to 638

    Re: Trapping

    hi tim, for right now i'll be doing my trapping on the dummy. i hope to get my brother back into it but i don't know when. i'll be eagerly waiting for your email so i can better understand what i'm doing. thank you again for all your help you are a class act and it is very mush appreciated by me. if cory is busy i understand i was'nt sure if he got my email or not. have a great day and happy halloween.  gary
    " not all who wonder are lost "
  •  10-31-2006, 9:42 AM 640 in reply to 638

    Re: Trapping

    hi tim, i'll be doing all my trapping on the dummy but i'm working on my brother trying to get him back into training.i'll be eagerly waiting your email so i can begin to understand exactly what i'm doing. i only keep asking about cory because i was'nt sure if he got my email, thanks again for all your help and you are a class act.  gary
    " not all who wonder are lost "
  •  10-31-2006, 12:42 PM 641 in reply to 640

    Re: Trapping

    Gary, I sent you an email with the terminology and here are a few things you can work on with the dummy. Start in a ready position in front of the dummy...remember to visualize the dummy as an actual person. You are in a right bai jong(right lead) (1) you are going to start out by throwing a right biu jee (finger jab) as you do this your left foot will slide up and lightly touch your right foot, (2) as you pull your right hand back you will deliver a low kick (to the leg) with your right foot, (3) step down with your right foot(do not bring your right foot back, instead set it down where it is after the kick)  and immediately pak and hit ( for this drill pak with your left hand and hit with your right) and trap his left arm, (4) Jut sao (jerking hand) with your right hand and straight blast to the chest with your left, (5) left vertical elbow to the chin, (6)  trap arms with left hand/forearm and hit with right hand, (7) slap side of head with right hand and cup the head as you deliver a left horizontal elbow to the side of head.

    I know this is alot of stuff and it will never go down like this in a real fight but one of the things this is teaching you is to hit multiple times and do not stop after one or two hits. Work this on the dummy until you have it down and are efficient at it. Then bring in a live partner and run through it again and you will see how important the footwork is. You will have to follow your opponent and keep pressure on him, but if you do it fast enough and with enough force you will see that in many cases the unskilled fighter will be overwhelmed.


    Tim McFatridge
    Jeet Kune Do Kali Association - Co-Founder
    Prime Academy of Martial Arts - Chief Instructor
  •  10-31-2006, 5:24 PM 642 in reply to 641

    Re: Trapping

    tim, thank you this is explained very good and i will get to work on it.i did not recieve your email could you please send it again. fly27@sbcglobal.net
    " not all who wonder are lost "
  •  11-01-2006, 3:32 PM 644 in reply to 642

    Re: Trapping

    Gary, did you get my email with the Jun Fan terminology? I sent it to you thru this site...if not let me know and i will send it to you again but it will be tomorrow morning.


    Tim McFatridge
    Jeet Kune Do Kali Association - Co-Founder
    Prime Academy of Martial Arts - Chief Instructor
  •  11-01-2006, 4:25 PM 645 in reply to 644

    Re: Trapping

    tim, i did not recieve your email please send it again. i'm not sure why i did'nt get it but i did do the drill you sent me. i like it. are there more. i know get good at this one first but i just thought it would be nice to have a few to practice. like i told you i'm soaking it all in and i want more thanks gary ps  is cory to busy? not that you aren't helping me enough because you are!!!!    i want to say to you that you must be a great teacher because the assistance you have gave me in a way that is easy to understand make me wish i could attend your school. i hope that was'nt to corny sounding
    " not all who wonder are lost "
  •  11-03-2006, 8:06 AM 647 in reply to 645

    Re: Trapping

    hi tim, i recieved your email today and thank you. i'll be waiting for the drills and i'll keep practicing. i think i rekindled my brothers interest and he may be starting up again. if cory has any insite he would like to and tell he not to hesitate. once again thanks for everything.   gary
    " not all who wonder are lost "
  •  11-03-2006, 3:09 PM 648 in reply to 647

    Re: Trapping

    Gary, glad you got the email I sent you. When working the dummy be sure to work your boxing as well. Throw some jabs and jab-crosses at the dummy...be sure to work your bob and weave, your slips and your parries. Parry with your right as you step up to the right using your FMA footwork and throw a body shot with your left hand then quickly move back. This is better done on the heavy bag but you can still work it on the dummy. Work your pak sao's and your jut sao's on the dummy. When you pak some one you want to pak them hard enough to give them a jolt. When you do a pak sao on a real person you want them to have to take a step back in order to maintain there balance. We have some video footage that I will see if Cory can get posted on here that shows one of our instructors LaDell Elliott doing some trapping.
    Tim McFatridge
    Jeet Kune Do Kali Association - Co-Founder
    Prime Academy of Martial Arts - Chief Instructor
  •  11-03-2006, 9:24 PM 649 in reply to 648

    Re: Trapping

    tim, that would be great. i do workout on the heavy bag. i am friends with a few boxers and i have gotten some tips from them.   gary
    " not all who wonder are lost "
  •  11-07-2006, 6:34 AM 655 in reply to 649

    Re: Trapping

    Gary, if you have time you might want to read through this thread to get some other drills that you will be able to work on with your brother or partner. Also, you may want to send an email to Edward Frost in regards to trapping. He trained in Wing Chun for 7 years and is very good at trapping and has alot of insight when it comes to that. Just click on his name, then click on "send email" and your message will be sent to him.
    Tim McFatridge
    Jeet Kune Do Kali Association - Co-Founder
    Prime Academy of Martial Arts - Chief Instructor
  •  11-07-2006, 4:46 PM 657 in reply to 655

    Re: Trapping

    Tim, i sent him a email like you said and that's for the info.  gary


    " not all who wonder are lost "
  •  11-11-2006, 5:07 PM 665 in reply to 657

    Trapping : Kali and Wing Chun

    Hello all. Thought I would chime in and start some more talk on this subject. Trapping is something that most of us (being the circle of people I have trained with) feel that is a "range" that we spend a great amount of time training and practicing all the wonderful traps/suppressions/deflections and the intricate "this could happen and this probably could happen in this situation with this type of energy/stimulus" drills, knowing that we probably will only get the chance to use a quick slap or press or grab or jerk in the course of our Offense/Defense. That being said!

    Let's talk about the similarities and differences of Kali and WC (Wing Chun) trapping. someone give me an example of a similarity and I will start it off.

    Kali has a slapping hand tech that is close to the way WC uses. As the punch comes in a straight line to your nose - you get your head out of the way and Slap the arm of your attacker, deflecting is attack.

    Now your go.

    Tracy Frost

     


    Everybody is Kung-Fu fighting

    www.dppfilms.com
  •  11-13-2006, 6:55 AM 673 in reply to 665

    Re: Trapping : Kali and Wing Chun

    Tracy...good to see you in here again. I know you have been busy with the movie/film stuff so thanks for taking the time brother. Ok, on to your post.

    Kali: your opponent throws a straight punch (straight right for the purpose of explaining) you will do a split entry(your left hand does outside parry and your right hand goes to his face), then bring your right hand back and check his arm as your left hand shoots to his face/eyes for strike, then bring your left hand back scooping his arm to the outside to open up his centerline as you throw a vertical right elbow. You can end here or can continue on with the rest of the drill. I like the first part because it is very fast. It sounds like there is alot to do and that it will never work; but the split entry is designed to work best when your opponent pulls his striking arm back in. You follow his arm in as it retracts.

     Also, Kali has the scoop. When you opponent throws a straight punch you simply scoop it. Kinda like a parry but instead of "slapping" out of the way you will slap it then scoop it to open him up for a follow up attack.

    Also what about the Kali guntings? Those are great for a guy who likes stay on the outside and punch. Can really mess up the guys hand. 


    Tim McFatridge
    Jeet Kune Do Kali Association - Co-Founder
    Prime Academy of Martial Arts - Chief Instructor
  •  11-15-2006, 3:30 PM 683 in reply to 673

    Re: Trapping : Kali and Wing Chun

    Tim McFatridge:

     but the split entry is designed to work best when your opponent pulls his striking arm back in. You follow his arm in as it retracts.

    Kali and WC have a similar principle of sticking to your opponents arm as they retract/attack. Like you stated above Tim, a great example. Though WC tends not to split entry. The principle of sticking is very apparent in both systems. You can absolutely see this in action when watching boxing or MMA/BJJ fights.


    Everybody is Kung-Fu fighting

    www.dppfilms.com
  •  11-17-2006, 9:29 PM 688 in reply to 683

    Re: Trapping : Kali and Wing Chun

    Tracy, what about Silat? I remember Herman Suwanda showing some pretty cool stuff from Mande Muda. Silat has some really cool trapping in it. But, of course that is totally different than WC.
    Tim McFatridge
    Jeet Kune Do Kali Association - Co-Founder
    Prime Academy of Martial Arts - Chief Instructor
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